Monday, September 22, 2008

Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra: Are they hypocrites?

An interesting critical review I found:

A Critical Perspective on Wayne Dyer

http://wayne-dyer.inspiresyou.com/33/t-795.html

The article above makes some good points. Why do such wonderful and wise New Age gurus who want to transform lives make their teachings only available to the wealthy? Why not make them affordable to the poor too? Gee, I'm sure there's no ulterior motive in that. (sarcastic)

The same goes for Deepak Chopra. What's hypocritical is that both Dyer and Chopra teach the abandonment of one's ego and promote non-materialist values, yet they both charge thousands of dollars to appear in public seminars, and their books sell for an average of around $30 each! Definitely not for the poor or those on a tight budget. Anyone can see in their PBS seminars that the studio audience members appear to be upper middle class and above.

Isn't that ironic?

Could it also be that their "thought creates reality" teaching sells to the upper class because it allows them to take credit for their riches and status, whereas such concepts do not sell to the poor who have a more practical view of reality?

Fascinating. (as Spock would say)

Perhaps what they teach only works in making the rich feel better about themselves, but doesn't offer anything of use for the poor or struggling class who deal with harsh everyday realities. After all, it's easy to those with sheltered lives to sit, meditate and try to "manifest abundance" when they already have it. And it's easier for the rich to "create reality" with their "thoughts" than it is for the poor, because they already have the resources to "manifest their reality" of course.

Nevertheless, many poor people believe in the "thought creates reality" concept as well (e.g. pot smoking hippies, alternative/holistic-oriented youngsters, etc.)

But what I can't figure out is why Deepak Chopra is successful. With Wayne Dyer, it's understandable, because he's charming, personable, charismatic, and has a likable endearing persona as well as a gentle tender father figure image. And he's easy to follow, his voice captivates you and his personality is engaging. But Chopra's voice is dry, dull and monotone. And his personality is not engaging, captivating or charismatic. In fact, there are millions of well read spiritualists in India just like him with the exact same knowledge. So there is no logical reason why Chopra should be successful or famous in his field.

Nevertheless, neither of them seem to be good at logic or common sense. For instance, they can't answer these simple 15 questions of mine about the "thought creates reality" teaching, which are never addressed in their books and seminars. Using simple everyday examples, I show in these questions why their core teaching falls flat on its head.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Debunking_LOA.htm#Appendix

Perhaps they aren't as interested in "truth" as they would have you think. Perhaps they too are only interested in what "sells". Thus they are prone to the same human frailties as you and I. So perhaps we should not put them up too high on the pedestal.


15 comments:

  1. Excellent questions and comments. These men just love to listen to themselves talk.

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  2. A good pair of Wankers! Especially DeePak in his jeweled glasses.

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  3. Yes, I agree. If I were them, I would work for nothing, or spend my own money to travel and pay for the conference center out of my own pocket.

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  4. Actually, when I listen to Wayne Dyer, I often hear him rambling on and on about how he has promoted so and so or so and so's book and much of what he says reinforces his ego. Deepak for me is much easier to stomach and I would say is much further on the path to egolessness than Dyer is. That said, I agree with your assertion that his audience already has the means to manifest "more". Offering to the poor seems to be most problematic with most "teachers" and organizations. And they always put the burden back on the poor saying that they must invest to receive. Many are more than willing to invest of time and effort, but have no funds to invest.

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  5. I Truly agree, Dyer needs to concentrate more on eliminating his ego. If, as he says, he doesn't need anything to behappy, i.e no material things,possesions, money etc. and wants only to spread happines and love, well why not donate to everyone who needs it.

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  6. $$$ is the game for them.
    Half spiritual "teachers", with some truth and some lies.

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  7. "Perhaps what they teach only works in making the rich feel better about themselves" <<--BINGO.

    Yes, what these various LOA philosophies have in common is that they excuse a total lack of empathy for others. Because whatever people's circumstances are, heck, they "attracted" it. Right? Tell that to thalidomide babies, concentration campers, abused children, so on and so forth.

    Another thing all of these gurus have in common are "products." A never ending array of products. And Dyer has been married and divorced three times, so I wholly doubt he's a font of spirituality. More likely an egomaniac.






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  8. I think there is too much concentration on them as individuals rather than what is being said or taught. If these men want to enjoy a life of comfort and riches, why judge them for it? If you are adverse to having riches, then these are not the people you want to listen too as they clearly promote affluence.
    We shouldn't look at them as spiritual authorities and gurus. We should only be interested in whether what they say is true or not.
    I can access a lot of their talks and books online, at the library, youtube, etc. for free. Wayne Dyer is very candid about his life and and the fact he can admit a lot of things about himself that most people try to hide shows a lack of ego.
    Deepak Chopra appeals to a different learner than Wayne Dyer. He is more scientific, but very clear and precise and to the point. Wayne Dyer is as described in this article. But both men are givers from my perspective.
    If you don't believe thoughts are things and thoughts can create your reality, then their material is not for you or perhaps they can teach you something new?

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  9. I think there is too much concentration on them as individuals rather than what is being said or taught. If these men want to enjoy a life of comfort and riches, why judge them for it? If you are adverse to having riches, then these are not the people you want to listen too as they clearly promote affluence.
    We shouldn't look at them as spiritual authorities and gurus. We should only be interested in whether what they say is true or not.
    I can access a lot of their talks and books online, at the library, youtube, etc. for free. Wayne Dyer is very candid about his life and and the fact he can admit a lot of things about himself that most people try to hide shows a lack of ego.
    Deepak Chopra appeals to a different learner than Wayne Dyer. He is more scientific, but very clear and precise and to the point. Wayne Dyer is as described in this article. But both men are givers from my perspective.
    If you don't believe thoughts are things and thoughts can create your reality, then their material is not for you or perhaps they can teach you something new?

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  10. I think there is too much concentration on them as individuals rather than what is being said or taught. If these men want to enjoy a life of comfort and riches, why judge them for it? If you are adverse to having riches, then these are not the people you want to listen too as they clearly promote affluence.
    We shouldn't look at them as spiritual authorities and gurus. We should only be interested in whether what they say is true or not.
    I can access a lot of their talks and books online, at the library, youtube, etc. for free. Wayne Dyer is very candid about his life and and the fact he can admit a lot of things about himself that most people try to hide shows a lack of ego.
    Deepak Chopra appeals to a different learner than Wayne Dyer. He is more scientific, but very clear and precise and to the point. Wayne Dyer is as described in this article. But both men are givers from my perspective.
    If you don't believe thoughts are things and thoughts can create your reality, then their material is not for you or perhaps they can teach you something new?

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  11. The Debunking LOA essay is now a 404 not found, can that be restored?

    In the meantime, here is The Secret Behind the LOA:
    http://antiguru.com/new-age-crap/the-secret-behind-the-secret

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  12. Don't believe everything you read goes both ways. Where does the information come from? Sounds like personal opinions to me, which we are entitled to. Far as I know, Wayne Dyer donates his material to public television for fundraising. I'm sure he and Deepak have to eat too. You don't have to buy their stuff either. It's a choice. And I'm sure they are not perfect. I'm far from being perfect. But at least we can try to live better lives, and if their stuff helps someone, that's good. And you can always get their books at the public library people, my friends does all the time. Different strokes for different folks guys.

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  13. Although I don't care for, nor totally trust either of these men, I do think there are some things they say that can enhance a person's life. I take what seems wise to me and ignore what I find trite or senseless. I choose not to purchase any of their products because I think their number one goal is to fatten their bank accounts and pat their egos. If I were to make of list of spiritual leaders neither of these men's name would appear. That being said, I wouldn't put them on a roster of evil-doers.

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  14. The main reason why Dyer and Chopak are so successful is because people want to believe their 'message'. Dyer and Chopak know this of course and continue their Sell by creating more and more outlandish comments and concepts. But seemly not outlandish for their listeners who use no reasoning skills or common sense when listening or thinking. They swallow everything they preach as if it were gospel. One could draw many parallels to religion. But the best is when you hold Dyer's stories to the light.
    A great example of power to prevaricate is his scurvy elephant story :
    https://lakishajj.wordpress.com/2015/09/17/wayne-dyer-and-the-real-scurvy-elephant/

    And there is really no topping his outlandish and totally unbelievable story of how Dyer was cured of Leukemia by quack faith healer john of god and his broken $ 17,000 Panerai watch. Boo-hoo. The only truly miraculous thing about this story was that his listeners didn't even bat an eye.
    https://lakishajj.wordpress.com/2015/09/11/wayne-dyers-miracle-wrist-watch/

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  15. Have you seen this little known fact from Dyer's past. He got caught soliciting with prostitutes and charged. He must have needed to manifest something( in his pants)
    https://lakishajj.wordpress.com/2017/10/07/wayne-dyers-sex-secret-is-out/

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